we need some change here

topic posted Thu, February 15, 2007 - 3:07 AM by  Kitty
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all the other personality types have all sorts of topics in their tribes. i guess we're focused on everyone else. we need some interesting discussion here. we are idealists so we also need to be more positive about our tribe. lets branch out of our obsessions with everyone else and have some healthy discussion about us for once.

anyone with me on this?
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Kitty
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    accepting the judging side

    Sat, March 17, 2007 - 3:53 AM
    sure - I find the j aspect very challenging at times. much of my judgement seems negative and i am consciously trying to tell myself its ok to observe without attaching a moral value to it. does anyone else find themselves superior in this way?

    i can judge myself just as critically ;-)
    • Re: accepting the judging side

      Sat, March 17, 2007 - 7:39 AM
      Who says we're obsessed with others or judgmental?
      Decisive, judging yes.

      You know, ENFJs make the best teachers, salespeople,
      psychologists... we schmooze, we like people, we're
      gregarious, we care about others and we get things done!
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        Re: accepting the judging side

        Sun, March 18, 2007 - 12:35 AM
        I didn't say i was obsessed.
        Just that i notice i am unable to stop the judgement.
        i love being around people, i think i'm very empathetic and a great networker - i remember details and people's names etc.. it's those nanosecond thoughts that pop into my head as i am observing or first meeting people that i was referencing, kitty wanted us to start a dialogue going ;-)
        • Re: accepting the judging side

          Sun, March 18, 2007 - 3:21 AM
          .........and thank you for the lovely dialog. hope there are many more to come. it would also be good if we could be a little easy on each other. that way we can get a lot out of this.
    • Re: accepting the judging side

      Sun, March 18, 2007 - 3:19 AM
      I totally hear you. i am hard on others and even harder on myself. everything always goes back to how it relates to my values and standards. I've met others like myself and found many of them to be annoying as well as other things.
      on the upside. i am very good at helping people with the same values as myself with good advice. which is only a good thing when the recipient wants to hear advice.
      I nurture the hell out of people i care about whether they like it or not. it's wanted and received well at least a third of the time. i call that good odds.
      when i'm not being hard on myself i see doing things right one third of the time(when it comes to other people) as the best that most humans can do if they are actually trying.
  • Re: we need some change here

    Sat, March 31, 2007 - 2:29 PM
    sure.
    where to start.

    i think it is amusing that idealists don't have a lot to post.
    i think it means that we are much more in touch with things. i don't think it's bad.
  • Re: we need some change here

    Mon, April 2, 2007 - 8:56 AM
    Hey there fellow idealists! I'm new to the whole "tribe" net thing. I'm an ENFP. I saw your concern for a healthy atmosphere! Hey, is there anyone here with dreams? I know alot of ENFJ's that are great facilitators of dreams. I have one myself. I was juss wondern if you guys could help me understand follow through a little better, cuz i have a Pness problem. Thanks a lot! Love yall!
    Kolby

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